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Post by Turwhitt on Feb 2, 2006 15:20:53 GMT
OK, so there's no honour among thieves (or is there? I was never quite sure which it was), but in other MMOs i've played, there have been times when my experience has been soured by people being antisocial or unfriendly. Now, i'm not suggesting we should be "holier-than-thou". After all, we are thieves and murderers. But i was wondering if we should have a code of conduct for members. I have been in a situation before where a great clan became the target of a lot of hate from other players because of the actions of a few newer members. Of course i want us to be feared and hated (in a roleplaying sense), but i wouldn't like us to be known as griefers or insulters.
So, how do people think about having a code of conduct? Here are a few suggestions, and i'd welcome any input:
1) Griefing. Following the same player around and taking every opportunity to attack them or damage them somehow. This is a bit of a grey area, because if, for example, we have a clan war, then we do want to be attacking any of their members whenever possible. As a general rule, does anyone think it's unreasonable to say that you shouldn't attack the same player more than twice in 24 hours?
2) Crowing. You know the one. A player called "iAmtEhGr8EsT" sails over the horizon and catches you just as the phone rings. He gets a few lucky shots off and sinks you. For the next half an hour you get tells from the guy saying "i PwneD j00 gud j00 n00b. u suxx0R". Now, there's nothing wrong with some banter. If you sink your arch enemy, why not send him a couple of tells to the effect of "Sorry guv'nor, did i get your suit wet?", or "Mind out for them sharks on the way back.", but continuously insulting someone you have beaten has no place in an online community.
3) Insulting. Roleplaying banter is fine. Almost everyone i have played with loves it when you get a good old rowdy going between roleplayers. But when it comes to just insulting or swearing at people (and we all know that there are ways round any language filter), then there's no need. It only makes you and your clan look bad.
I can't think of any more at the mo.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this.
Oh, and while we're on the subject, do we actually have a rule about not attacking English shipping, or is this more of an honour thing?
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Post by steevodeevo on Feb 2, 2006 19:00:31 GMT
Heff and I have thought about this long and hard (believe it or not!) and we have never really discussed this so seeing as we are getting close to beta and Turwhitt raises the point here goes. The first thing is Heff and I formed TLC specifically to have a degree of control over member behaviour and the philosphy of our guild behaviour. We are passionate that we have fun and create a very particular atmosphere, but we really don't want to run it, deal with the detail or sit with spreadsheets and calculators all night, I did enough o fthat as the Treasurer in Eve! We have all been there before, I was co-founder of the IMTC Guild in Eve, but I learned a lot from that. As this is a Pirate game, we decided it was the perfect place to apply our newly learned skills in Guild management.... 1. Keep it simple, I work all day already. 2. Everyone contributes, but in sympathetic accordance to their free time - no passengers or OUT*. 3. It has to be fun and if the Guild falls apart it falls apart, let's not make guild success a job, but make it fun. 4. Heff, me and Turwhitt are the Guild Chiefs, if we don't think someone is adding to the fun, development of the Guild or creating a positive rep for us, our word is final - OUT*. 5. People that don't like the above can leave.OUT* .....the reason this sounds so harsh or even pompous to many is we have all been in Guilds where bad apples have spoiled things for the majority and we have fanny'd about for too long letting things go rotten, losing good members on the way. I trust my own, Heff's and Turwhitts judgement and experience says that you get rid of bad apples early clinically and without compunction. All this said (and because it is) a game, I certainly play fast and loose and have good and bad days meeself' (some nights on the bottle Iwould have sacked myself!) so, this is by no means a star chamber or a clique, but it is a dictatorship of three. - thats the way it is boys and galls, if anyone doesn't like this then Heff, I and Turwhitt (if indeed he agrees) will be in a Guild of three again and recruiting another gang of willing galley slaves - erm, members It's all about fun, I think we have a core of pretty good geezers in here, who will emerge and come into their own in the Game and this WILL be a FUN and cool Guild to be in and no one is gonna spoil it for us all, our spare fun time is to precious to waste... Long Live the Pirates of TLC!
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Post by CaptainHeff on Feb 2, 2006 21:55:36 GMT
I couldn't agree more with everything Turwhitt & Steevo said. Eve was a great game and my first introduction to the world of mmo's and guilds (im a late starter) I enjoyed it for the first month or 2, but then the backstabbing, chatting in separate windows and all the shite Turwhitt mentioned started. The best part of the game was the banter and harmless piss taking when a big group of us were online together (trust me you have to listen to steevo after a few drinks ;D) As steevo mentioned, that year or so, of eve taught us a lot, that is one of the main reasons we formed the TLC as a pirate guild, so we dont have many rules. I get far too much stress at work and then even more off the wife and kids to have to worry about in game politics. If Steevo, Turwhitt or myself think a member of the guild is a twat then as steevo put so eloquently 'OUT*' 3 of us will put it toa vote so there will always be an outcome. But dont worry im sure none of us are twats
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Post by farmermaggot on Feb 2, 2006 22:12:53 GMT
I think this is exactly what a lot of us are looking for, a good time. One of the most fun parts of any MMO game is the Clan/Guild/Fleet systems, and the aboce rule set ensures that all TLC members will have fun.
Not so sure about the "No attacking Britain" thing, if it follows any Crown I'll have the urge to attack it. But if it be the will of the clan, I'll follow it. Killing the French is the most important thing anyway.
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Post by steevodeevo on Feb 2, 2006 22:20:29 GMT
good man maggot - and if the British navy get our goat we may have to have a word or two with them, we'll see
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Post by blackhead on Feb 2, 2006 23:29:44 GMT
Im all for sticking together and having a laugh whilst playing the game in the spirit that it was intended. I think im right in saying from reading various posts on this forum that we want too be feared as proper pirates should be but we also want to be respected within the game and that aint gonna happen without a code of conduct that unites us in a common goal. I put my faith in the three 'Guild Chiefs' to steer us through choppy waters and evict any twats that don't respect the code of The Loose Cannons....... And if the British navy does get our goat then wer just have to grab him back again.. Arrrr
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Post by Turwhitt on Feb 3, 2006 9:27:57 GMT
I wonder if picking fights with the british navy might be a bit like stepping in a viper's nest. It's not like i'm so against it that i'd make a fuss, but has anyone else noticed that almost every other guild is a British naval guild? And there are some very big ones. If we get a reputation for attacking British shipping we may well find that it's impossible to go anywhere without a large division of bigger ships bearing down on our piratical arses. Of course, we could make sure that we never go anywhere unless in a group of 10, but that may not be feasible all the time. I wonder whether we might have a more fun time if we are known as British sympathisers who will help to put ports into contention (and, of course, dirty, rascally pirates all the rest of the time), rather than fair game for all the many British naval clans which will be roving the waters.
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Post by blackhead on Feb 3, 2006 14:26:57 GMT
I have no desire to attack any British shipping unless its a guild agreed retaliation strike. My comment about getting out goat back was just a joke...not a very good one i grant you but a joke none the less.
The worry is though if most of the players are either pirate or British navy who do we get too attack ?
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Post by steevodeevo on Feb 3, 2006 17:14:14 GMT
feedback here is excellent, me and heff are chuffed.
be aware!! me and heff are of to Brixton in a minute to see bauhaus and we will be rat arsed and ready to post when we get back Yarrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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Post by farmermaggot on Feb 3, 2006 20:13:00 GMT
If anyone starts with us, it would be unsportsman-like to not put up a fight. I think the best action against any Navy would be to board their ships before we get blasted to bits. Unless they shoot their own ships, we could atleast make it a draw. Or steal their stuff and run away, that would be the piratey thing to do.
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Post by status5 on Feb 5, 2006 0:29:12 GMT
I feel that if they aren't in a guild, its fair game. Otherwise we may be digging ourselves a grave by attacking large British guilds.
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Post by farmermaggot on Feb 5, 2006 3:10:08 GMT
I feel that if they aren't in a guild, its fair game. Otherwise we may be digging ourselves a grave by attacking large British guilds. I never even though about that. I think the chances of a loner in PotBS are slim though, unless they have NPCs available to hire?
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Post by Turwhitt on Feb 6, 2006 9:31:13 GMT
The worry is though if most of the players are either pirate or British navy who do we get too attack ? Yep, this is something which has been worrying me for a while! I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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Post by canokickass on Feb 25, 2006 7:25:30 GMT
I am even more pleased with the Admin structure of this guild after reading the "code of conduct" messages. I look forward to contributing to the success of this guild in what ever way I can. PotBS launch early as April or late as October, I look forward to seeing the growth of TLC all the while. And I wouldn't worry too much about who to go after. I have a hunch there will be plenty of Spaniards to choose from for a good fight. Probably not as many as the English but Plenty to go around.
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Post by steevodeevo on Feb 25, 2006 10:41:57 GMT
anyone who can't prenounce ther H's is fair game to TLC Yarrrr!
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Post by kamikaze5 on Dec 15, 2006 22:09:43 GMT
Very good. Sounds nice. Though i mean that we have to build up a "piratish" reputation i totally agree with every aspect of the insult rule. It is THE thing that ruins many gr8 MMORPGS. A clan based on fun is a good clan. Though maybe some ranks may be good after a while? not only leader and slave (member ^^) but Pirate King(leader), Fleet commander(tactical helper), Fleet member(Should be easy enough to understand ), Pirate, Trialist(first 1-2 weeks after joining?) any thoughts on this one?
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Post by philliasfairfax on Jun 26, 2007 13:28:01 GMT
souns reasonable to me, code of cunduct is needed and needs to be enforced. I run a guild on swg, for a long time and encounterd several of the problems(drama) with this, hence the importance of the leaders to be..leaders. I support this. *hands over a bottle of rhum*
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Post by trencher on Jun 26, 2007 15:19:35 GMT
I have a theory about the British Navy based on my WoW experience, and it is this; the British Navy will hunt us down like hellhounds on our trail. They will deny us access to ports, the will pick fights with us in pubs, they will shoot us in the back while we are picking fights with Frenchmen in pubs. And they will be no different from any other navy in the game. Just a theory, mind - but my guts tell me it's true. As far as insults - I am going to keep mine nautical period based and humorous ( I like to humor myself that I am humorous). They've just started selling a pirate dictionary down at the book store and there are a tons of online references. And let it be known if any of you are being griefed you can count on me to drop everything I am doing and sail straight to your location with probably half of TLC! And on that note - I include this link in case any of you don't know how to fire your cannons - 'cause you'll be doing it a lot is my guess: www.kipar.org/piratical-resources/british-firepower.htmlRule, Pirata!
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Post by trencher on Jun 26, 2007 15:26:04 GMT
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